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Lost Battalion - Vosges Mountain scenario - October 1944

Research Materials

Postby davep on Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:33 am

Simple Background Story
http://www.texasmilitaryforcesmuseum.or ... ostbat.htm

Here is the link for the huge version (click after opening)
http://www.history.army.mil/topics/apam/GoBroke.jpg
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Re: Research Materials

Postby M14MSgt on Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:44 pm

My uncle Norris Wells was killed on 28 Aug 44. He fought in this battle as part of the 36th ID.
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Re: Research Materials

Postby kanowarrior on Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:28 am

Wow. From the way my dad used to talk about it I believe this is where he got most of his bullet scars. This is the one battle the 442nd is remembered for more than any other. To hear my dad talk about it and watch the movies about it you would wonder anybody survived.
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Re: Research Materials

Postby Opie74 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:19 pm

and sadly until Ken Burns the war nobody knew about about it

oh im probably gonna make this one
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Re: Research Materials

Postby davep on Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:51 am

From the Stars and Stripes circa November 6, 1944
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Re: Research Materials

Postby barcelonablom on Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:35 pm

Thanks to some decent book reccomondations I am working on an excellent scenario idea. Whenver we scout the field, I need to go, I might go myself.
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Re: Research Materials

Postby davep on Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:49 pm

Here is an account from the 442nd side of things
http://www.asian-nation.org/442.shtml

This site has two videos, one about the Lost Battalion, and one called Go for Broke
http://www.army.mil/asianpacificsoldier ... ombat.html

Lost Battalion Newsreel
http://www.army.mil/asianpacificsoldier ... 442nd.html
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Re: Research Materials

Postby kanowarrior on Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:37 pm

According to that newspaper article, we can grill hamburgers and still be accurate!
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Re: Research Materials

Postby davep on Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:00 pm

There you go, part of the senario, the trapped solider "can't eat" until someone breaks through and brings them food. While that guy at the base camp, and have hamburgers cooking away. :lol:
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Re: Research Materials

Postby Holz on Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:20 am

Guten Tag,
I was reading over the scenario for December and was curious if anybody knew what German units were involved specifically? I have bee looking through some reference material online but all I find is vague references to "german forces". I did read that the Panzer Lehr Division was involved with defending the Vosges Mountains, but not sure if they were involved with the Lost Battalions scenario. Does anybody happen to know off hand or possibly point me in the right direction? Some specifice uniform/insignia issues I want to work out, but need to know who was involved.

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Re: Research Materials

Postby barcelonablom on Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:46 pm

Hey Marcus... All right I'm doing this from memory since Tim lent me a book that would solve this. But there were a lot of hodgepodge German units involved. The 21st was involved in anchoring the faaaaaar north of the German line, but it was away from where the 442d's rescue of the Lost Battalion was involved but naturally being in the area their actions did affect the operation. There also was an SS Police Battalion, which according to their description was a bunch of men pressed into service. And then the 201st and 202d (IIRC) Gebirgsjager battalions (these were before all of the remnants were tossed together into the 1st Gebirg Regiment). In the irony of war I believe it was the 201st that was cut off and surrounded only about 20 or so miles north of where the US Lost Battalion was cut off. Sadly their comrades did not rescue them, they either died fighting or surrendered.

If we get enough people my plan is to run the same scenario each day but with reversed positions (The "main event" on saturday being an American breakthrough to an American unit, and then reverse the roles to re-enact the German breakthrough to rescue the Gebirgsjagers). Chances are we won't get any number of people to try and do complicated plans like that so we may just do classic attack/defense type deals to try and simulate a breakthrough... Though I'd like a "trapped" element to be involved to make this a more true to the real events type story.

But I think that lots of you guys have Gebirgsjager impressions, so if you're itching to bring those out, then alls fair really, if they don't coming as 21st won't be totally off.

This weekend our unit is having a gun cleaning, I'll see if I can bum that book off of Tim again as a research material... What say ya Tim? :D
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Re: Research Materials

Postby kanowarrior on Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:14 pm

Not a problem Richard. Remembering to bring it, that's a problem! Call me that morning around 8-9am so I don't forget it.
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Re: Research Materials

Postby Holz on Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:19 pm

Ah..GJ. That would be nice to get some use out of that set-up. I'll mention that to those who have the impression. If you get any more details, please let me know. Thanks!
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Re: Research Materials

Postby Mayo on Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:24 pm

Not a problem Marcus. We are glad to help. 8)
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Re: Research Materials

Postby barcelonablom on Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:30 pm

Holz wrote:Ah..GJ. That would be nice to get some use out of that set-up. I'll mention that to those who have the impression. If you get any more details, please let me know. Thanks!


Will do and your welcome.
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