The Red Bull Patch - Find and Wear it

Jackets, Boots, Packs, Pants, Shirts, etc

The Red Bull Patch - Find and Wear it

Postby davep on Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:08 pm

At our recent meeting the discussion of wearing permanently the Red Bull patch was brought up:

Wearing of the Red Bull Patch
The question of the “Wearing of the Red Bull” patch was brought up. Tim, told the group that he would like us to follow the rule in the CHG, which says to come to events as your “unit” as you were approved. In our case that is the 442nd and 133rd regiments. Therefore we will attend events as the same unit each time regardless of the scenario, or whether our particular unit or regiments where actually there. Accordingly it will be allowed and encouraged for guys to proudly support the unit, by wearing the “Red Bull” patch on your combat jackets all year round. One of the things I want to instill is a sense of comradeship between all of us. This includes such things a commune meal, and doing things like the wearing the patch.

The question was raised about which patch; the Olive Drab border one, or the cut edge patch. Tim said for our purposes either one is fine.


Accordingly each person has the choice to wear the Red Bull patch all year round. Since it is not a requirement that you "must" wear the patch, it is important for those who chose to buy and sew on a patch, that it be a WWII era patch and not a current day patch. Also within the WWII era, there is a lot of variety in how one patch looks from another.

Before considering the patch, consider the history of the Red Bull design. During World War I the national guard units of Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, and the Dakotas were called into service and combat training in New Mexico in August of 1917. It was also at this same time that the Smithsonian Institute was excavating heavy jars found on the heads of skeletons of indian tribes. So this become the basis of the design of then Pvt First Class Marvin D. Cone.

Early on the men and the regimental tailors made their own patches and embellished them individually. There are records of at least 17 patches with jar and skeleton variations. Different color combinations were used and some depicted things such a the "34", "Sandstorm Division", or a particular state. Also when the 34th Infantry finally entered WWII the early patches had a "olive drab" border.

Below is Marvin Cone's orginal specs for the emblem.
Image

So by World War II the 34th Infantry Division already existed, and had a patch. The process of making a fully embroidered WWII patches results in a "cut edge" appearance. The edges were normally khaki or olive drab. The patches were sewn in "production line" sequence, on one continuous roll of fabric. Then each patch "and" the fabric it was sewn on, were cut out into squares. Then each square's base fabric was cut away leaving just a trace amount. This is what is refer to as a "cut edge" patch.

The norm during and after the Vietnam War, was a "merrowed edge". Many WWII Patches have a raised border that looks very close to a modern merrowed edge. WWII patches are cloth patches which have a heavy thread border applied to prevent fraying. Merrowed edges have a higher, more pronounced ridge and no cut cloth edge. Also a Merrowed edge can be usally spotted by their tail of lock stitich at the end of sewing process. So while a truly authentic construction can be spotted, some reproduction of Red Bull patches may be modern day made repros, specially the more rare OD border patches.

There are basically three types of Red Bull Patches:
1. Pre-War and Early War with the OD border - go $20 to $45
Image

2. WWII Era - go for $8 to $15
Image


3. Modern or Post War
Image


The top of the patch is worn 1/2 inch below the shoulder seam

Image
Last edited by davep on Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:33 pm, edited 4 times in total.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
davep
Cpl
Cpl
 
Posts: 1019
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:40 am
Location: Santa Clarita

Postby Mayo on Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:20 am

Tim told me these were good repros:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=016
When all else fails, Attack!
Image
User avatar
Mayo
TSgt.
TSgt.
 
Posts: 871
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:16 am
Location: Mission Viejo

Postby davep on Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:35 am

Those are good repros, they use the WWII era production method, and achieve the "cut edge". I've brighten the picture, and you can clearly see the extra fabric around the patch. Here is that site "National Capital Historical Sales" website http://www.nchsinc.com/ in addition to their ebay store at http://stores.ebay.com/National-Capital ... ical-Sales

Here is a bio on the owner George Petersen http://www.nchsinc.com/shop/petersen.htm

Nice find Tim. This guy may be a possible source to make pins.

Image
Last edited by davep on Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
davep
Cpl
Cpl
 
Posts: 1019
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:40 am
Location: Santa Clarita

Postby osok1953 on Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:15 am

Just got me 2 of them nice patches for $15.00 with shipping. :D
Image
"Charlie Don't Surf"
User avatar
osok1953
Sgt
Sgt
 
Posts: 295
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:38 am
Location: Anaheim

Postby Mayo on Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:33 am

I just ordered two also.
When all else fails, Attack!
Image
User avatar
Mayo
TSgt.
TSgt.
 
Posts: 871
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:16 am
Location: Mission Viejo

Postby kanowarrior on Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:14 pm

By the way. I've seen and own some post war reproduction 442nd patches along with several wartime ones passed down from my dad. I had the modern sewn border start to unravel on one of my repros and out of curiousity picked at it. I discovered the thread easily came undone and left me with a very good representation of a cut edge patch.

If your brave and have an extra patch or two you might want to try it.
Image
User avatar
kanowarrior
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
 
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:48 am
Location: San Juan Capistrano
Medals: 1
CHG Member (1)

Postby Spiggy on Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:52 am

well, there you have it, I got 2
User avatar
Spiggy
Private
 
Posts: 113
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:50 pm
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain


Return to Clothing

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest



CREATE FORUM by CreateForum. Create your FREE FORUMS HOSTING now! - JAPANESE ACCESSORIES
PRIVACY POLICY